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Admiral_Komack
Admiral_Komack

Good afternoon.
I am a first-time poster here.
I've been giving the Occupy movement the side eye since they showed John Lewis that "consensus" really means "we don't want you to speak". 

indubitably
indubitably

 As usual, I'm late, but it's taken me this long to figure out CIK and SistahSpeak are here! I'm so very happy to have found you all! I won't be a frequent presence ---it's the height of the semester and I'm teaching even more classes next semester---but I'm grateful to know where I can go to get my good, insightful, thought-provoking reading jones fixed.

Bookmarked! indubitably (from Kos)

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

hey!   No Time to be Shy around here :)

Great to see you Robinswing   -- right way to start a Friday

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

Ihmael Reed NY Times today

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/opinion/trouble-beside-the-bay.html

Right on Time

"
All of this has left Oakland’s blacks and Latinos in a difficult
position. They rightly criticize the police, but they also criticize the
other invading army, the whites from other cities, and even other
states, whom they blame for the vandalism that tends to break out
whenever there is a heated protest in town: from the riots after the
murder of Oscar Grant by a transit police officer in 2009, to the
violence of the last two weeks downtown and, most recently, near the
port.

Someday we may discern the deeper historical meaning of these latest
events. For now, what’s striking are the racial optics. How did
Asian-Americans respond to the sight of a diminutive Asian-American
mayor being hooted off the stage by a largely white crowd at an Oct. 27
rally? And where was the sympathy when, in years past, unarmed blacks
and Hispanics were beaten or killed? Why did it take the injury of a
white protester to attract attention?"

princss6
princss6

Co-sign.  Resounding, Yes!

The time is too late for distractions.  Distractions that will lead to antipathy and frustration.  No.

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

great to see you here sage!!

and yes -- to all you said...

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Sage! :)  Yes, now that folks have come out to the party, those connections need to be cultivated and steered towards concrete mobilization efforts in local communities.

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

honestly he could speak there for hours now every day and it would not ever undo that mess!

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

ha!!

i am laughing too hard to type an appropriate response :)

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

yes -- Connect the Dots people

you are so right about the Criminalizing Narrative -- which always centers poc..

and sorry about the protest violence against you Kay..:(

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Occupious Bearded Hot-Pink-Leaflet Guy

Brilliant and pitch perfect as usual, conlakappa.

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

why have i only seen bearded white men as Keepers of the People's Mike???????

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

Vermont was a surprise

I think Montana may be related to the American Indian population...

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

This! ^^^

John Lewis denied the mike in Atlanta made me do a triple take..

I have linked this NY Times article inthe post but worth a closer look here

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/28/occupy-wall-street-struggles-to-make-the-99-look-like-everybody/

"A survey
conducted at Zuccotti Park by Fordham University a month into the protests,
from Oct. 14 to Oct. 18, found that 68 percent of the protesters were white, 10
percent were black, 10 percent were Hispanic, 7 percent were Asian and 5 percent
were from other races.

And, many critics have noted, the black and Hispanic protesters participating
in the protests have tended to come from the middle class, just as the white
protesters have.

The adult population of New York City is 36 percent white, 27 percent
Hispanic, 22 percent black, 13 percent Asian and 2 percent other races."

(Snip)

"When race has come up at Zuccotti Park, it has sometimes been a fraught and
delicate subject.

Sonny Singh, 31, a Sikh musician from Brooklyn who joined Occupy Wall Street
early on, recounted the scene in Zuccotti Park the day the general assembly
drafted its “Declaration of the Occupation
of New York City” — the closest thing to a political manifesto the
protesters have put out thus far.

Mr. Singh said that he and a few other “brown” people at the assembly were
appalled by what was going to become the first paragraph of the declaration: “As
one people, formerly divided by the color of our skin,” the document began, “we
acknowledge the reality: that there is only one race, the human race.”

“That was obviously not written by a person of color,” Mr. Singh said,
calling the statement naïve. “Race is a reality in the lives of people of color,
you can’t put out a statement like that without alienating them.”

Vikki
Vikki

Thank you for this Nancy. And thank you especially for this:

Instead, I will continue, as always, to Occupy Classrooms, Occupy
Academic Journals and Conferences, Occupy Blogspots, Occupy Grassroots
Community Groups, Occupy Political Organizing/GOTV efforts and Yes –
Occupy Voting Booths.

I was reminded recently that, with all the attention on the Occupy Wall Street/other places movements, we overlook and dismiss all the other, smaller, less visible, just as necessary Occupy movements that have taken place everyday-- like teaching, organizing, etc. And that is something that we need to keep in mind--the battle against something as huge as the prison-industrial complex or even economic injustice will not be won in the square or in a park. There is much organizing work to be done that is not as sexy and media-grabbing but even more vital.

Also, a shout-out to my superity-duperity cute littlest, Siu Loong, daughter of poster of comment. Oooh WICKWED! -that was my daughter.

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Yes -- so many folks are quick to point out the visibility of poc at the "occupies," but none can point to the intersectional framework or point to a governing structure/style that does not have the effect of silencing communities of color (i.e., the consensus GA approach).

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

 thanks for being here conlakappa

and for the link.. Seems like the police presence is getting ramped up everywhere - along with the looming isue of "provocateurs"..

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Something else worthy of mention here is the governing general assembly, rule by consensus, structure of the "occupies" and effect this has had/is likely to have with respect to the silencing of communities of color. 

Notwithstanding the narrative that this is a "leaderless" and amorphous "movement," it does have a framework in place and is run by  specific folks with specific experiences.

The framework chosen for these "occupies" has to transition to the intersection of race, gender, class, immigration status, sexual orientation, gender expression, ability, etc. with concrete objectives to dismantle the PIC, the power and influence of the banking industry, and other systems of oppression, if the "occupies" is to evolve into an authentic movement that not only creates legislation, but changes paradigms and dismantles hierarchies of privilege (not reinforces them).

Mariame Kaba
Mariame Kaba

Kay, yes to this.  I am preaching this to everyone I know.  This is a BOTH/AND moment.  The electoral politics nihilists are about to confine us to HELL with President Mitt Romney.  Take to the streets AND to the voting booth.  We must do both.

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

Well, thanks again to princss6 -- made me keep looking..

A good lesson -- for me anyway

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

welcome!

Same for me -- "side-eye" since the John  Lewis debacle

thanks for stopping and we hope to see you again

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

so great to see yo indubitably!!

you've been missed s0 glad you found your way here :)

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

This:

Local activism has been pushed aside as well. Even as Occupy Oakland has
occupied the Bay Area headlines, hundreds of black, white and Latino
parents met to oppose plans to close five schools in black
neighborhoods. The following day there was hardly a single line of
newsprint about the meeting.

The Occupy movement has important things to say. But in its hurry to
speak, it risks shutting out those who have been waiting their turn for a
long time.

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Thanks for posting this Nancy.  I totally missed this. 

How did Asian-Americans respond to the sight of a diminutive
Asian-American mayor being hooted off the stage by a largely white crowd
at an Oct. 27 rally? And where was the sympathy when, in years past,
unarmed blacks and Hispanics were beaten or killed? Why did it take the
injury of a white protester to attract attention?

I certainly didn't respond to kindly to the all white boys club demanding that Mayor Quan resign.  This lot is incapable of seeing the world outside their privilege little bubble.  Hubris and self-righteous be thy name Keith O and fraud Michael Moore.

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

No to Distractions -  Amen to all that..

thanks for being here princss!

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Yes...saw that piece on the NYT Nancy -- was an excellent piece (even for the Times).  More white liberal colorblindness -- it shows ignorance of history, and shows a staggering lack of ignorance about the realities people of color face on a daily basis. 

"Occupiers," self-awareness, where art thou?

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

Amen to this Vikki -

"There is much organizing work to be done that is not as sexy and media-grabbing but even more vital. "

Waving to your daughter :)

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

this is so right -- not just the numbers but the analysis that matters

And it - so far -- is not there

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

my reply to you got misplaced above :)

But Yes Seeta -- so true

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Take to the streets AND to the voting booth.

Worth repeating!

Vikki
Vikki

Yes. All too true (sadly).

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

exactly...

if intersectionality was at the heart of the agenda -- the connections between all these issues -- and a united front against them -- would fall right into place

But No

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

as time goes on it becomes more and more apparent..

i fear any calls for "inclusion" now have come too late -- yes this is an " all white boys club", style and substance...

princss6
princss6

A little late, but this is wonderful.  Embodies so much of what I find problematic and as Angela Davis cautioned - OWS runs the risk of universalizing some very narrow concerns that will alleviate the issues of quite frankly those who have been more privileged.

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

We are so not Post-Racial

There is a point at which i have to  really consider this  lack of "white " awareness as intentional

Vikki
Vikki

My daughter says "wave back! Wave back, mom! Tell 'em I wave back and <3 Harry Potter!"

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

Yes

headed to school now -- have a great day Seeta

and thank you thank you thank you again for this wonderful space where another vision can be nurtured

So Much Gratitude

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Right...Moore has never released his films under a Creative Commons License.  Always, propping up and profiting from the system through capitalistic structures, notwithstanding the availability of other types of counter-culture structures.  Moore = fraud.

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

and it is megalomania

Part of the 1% capitalizing on a "critique" of capitalism

hmmmmmmmmmm.....

Seeta Persaud
Seeta Persaud

Imo, "calls for inclusion" are not enough.  Visibility is not the issue.  The governing structure/framework is a huge flaw of OWS.  This is why we get "colorblind" declarations. 

I hope a lot of these folks who are just now experiencing a political awakening take the opportunity to learn and resolve the exclusivity of OWS by listening and self-educating.

Those self-professed long time activists like fraud Moore and others -- nothing can save these boys from their megalomania.

nancy a heitzeg
nancy a heitzeg

Never late here

btw Bad Cousin June helped me write it -- #OBL :)

Seriously, as you know, we have seen far to much of the pitfalls of Class Alone analysis-- it ends up as White Male Privilege 101

Every time