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Domino14
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White privelege. Sick.

 

and horrified when I clicked on the link to Cabela's. Had no idea what that was.

KayWhitlock
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 @Domino14 They're hugely popular with many people, and their flagship stores in the midwest attract people in droves. They sell decent outdoor gear - especially if you're into camo (I am not).   Not everyone who goes to Cabela's is a raving RW maniac. They cater to the hunting crowd and camo dudes - and I'm sure their politics are not mine. 

Richard Lyon
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There are a growing number of far right groups in this country that make the tea party look like what that term has traditionally connoted. They've always been around hiding under slimy rocks, but it looks like they are crawling out into the light of day more and more often.

 

badphairy
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I also find the hate crime framework problematic, but imho it's better than nothing.

 

I think assigning white pride and militia groups to the "oh just ignore them, they're fine" category is completely unjust. I just have to find some way to let it make me laugh as well as be out- and en-raged. Thank you all for the space and opportunity to express myself.

KayWhitlock
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 @badphairy I need to second Nancy's laughter at Cabela's expense.  It's like White Cammo Dude Land extraordinaire. 

badphairy
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 @KayWhitlock I also find it quite interesting that in MN, it's quite difficult to get to any places selling guns or gun accessories if one is using public transportation. There are ammo deserts, as well as food deserts.

KayWhitlock
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 @badphairy Ha!  Since I live in Montana, I'll probably have at least one, or 20, more opportunities to use that line!

 

 

badphairy
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 @KayWhitlock "Why thank you for your concern, sir. Would you like a helping of my culinary speciality, red beans and ricin?"

badphairy
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 @nancy a heitzeg  @KayWhitlock  I spent several years growing up in Rochester. I don't remember a huge amount of gun silliness, but then I was one of those people in the funny-looking pants riding a horse. Tragically I could not deduct him on my taxes ;^P

KayWhitlock
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Ha!  In Montana, there is hardly any public transportation.  But here, whites monitor whites.  I was stunned not long ago when a line repair guy for the ISP/digital phone/cable provider we bundle with sized me up when he tried to come in my back door and found it locked, informed me that guns are better protection than locked doors and asked point blank (sorry for the expression) if I had any guns in the house.  Then he referred me to the statewide RW nutcase who runs the gun lobby for safety training and political indoctrination.

 

Service with a smile.

nancy a heitzeg
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 @badphairy  @KayWhitlock you gotta go to rochester girl :0

 

or in Wells MN-- they actually hold they annual gun show in the HIGH SCHOOL

 

debated about it for 5 minutes after Columbine and then went right on ahead

Seeta
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This is a stellar piece -- very educational.  Although the subject matter is always difficult to embrace, the writing is reflective, sharp, honest, and pitch perfect.  

 

I simply loved this: "Does calling it white privilege upset the journalistic status quo? Too bad. If 300,000 black people were running around in the woods armed to the teeth, there would be a law enforcement response that would make Wounded Knee look like 5 minutes of Bouncy Castle Time at the Fair."

 

Brilliantly said. 

KayWhitlock
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 @Seeta You and badphairy are providing the best quotes of the day, the week, the month.  Thank you. 

nancy a heitzeg
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i will also say -- that while i do not agree with the "hate crime" framework -- i am glad that splc and others are attempting to take some sort of account of militia activity

 

and now finally the feds too

KayWhitlock
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 @nancy a heitzeg The hate crime framework doesn't permit us to address deep, broad questions of community wholeness and well-being within a framework of social, economic, and religious justice.

 

But the SPLC has been documenting these groups and warning of the mainstreaming of their ideas.  I'd say those ideas are very mainstreamed now, with the NRA/ALEC "Stand Your Ground" laws. 

nancy a heitzeg
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 @KayWhitlock Yes

 

my personal gripe -- as you know -- is also the false equivalency created when splc and others deem NOI and Black Israelites etc as "hate" groups akin to the KKK

 

i disagree with that entirely

KayWhitlock
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This is an excellent and righteous rant - and I say that from Montana, where white militia groups have caused problems and posed threats for years. 

 

Yes, it's a complete double standard rooted in white privilege.  In Sanford, Florida, Trayvon Martin is killed because he is profiled as a dangerous criminal of color armed with a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea.  Militia folks stockpile hundreds and thousands of rounds of ammo and no official blinks an eye.  Yes, they are itching for a fight - one in which they are armed and the folks who didn't take them seriously are gobsmacked.  And the rest of us pay the price.

 

I am grateful to the SPLC, Center for New Community, and other groups that monitor and report on these folks.

 

Please write more, Badphairy. 

badphairy
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 @KayWhitlock  I do not to believe the white pride interpretation of how RAHOWA might go. I have lived in Oakland CA, I'm well aware that minorities have had guns for a very long time and that they/we seem to know how to use them. I certainly do. Learned to shoot an automatic in Idaho, no less. Also, camouflage meant for forest and desert does tend to stand out in the city. It may be difficult to debunk a fantasy, but I am willing to continue to try.

KayWhitlock
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 @badphairy And I'm white, anti-racist, queer, and my mom taught me how to shoot back in Colorado more than 50 years ago.  I know a lot of progressives just like me, who also learned how to shoot when they were young. 

 

I love the image of cammo standing out in the city. Especially bark and woodland snow cammo. 

KayWhitlock
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 @nancy a heitzeg First a Nazi costume, then he gets naked.  Poor Harry.

 

I was thinking with some Date Palm cammo, I'd really blend in in South Beach or the Dinah Shore golf tournament.

badphairy
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 @KayWhitlock Just had this discussion somewhere else. I decided on the eucalyptus because it's invasive, non-indigenous, and tends to burn down the wealthy part of Oakland about every five or ten years.

badphairy
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 @KayWhitlock Bark? Haven't seen that one yet. If you could be a heavily armed tree, which one would you be?

nancy a heitzeg
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 @badphairy  @KayWhitlock Ok the "bark" cammo is the worst.. :)

 

btw i am glad the piece has a link to those ridiculous TV shows onb "Doomsday Preppers" et al -- another attempt to mainstream the madness

 

KayWhitlock
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Links to groups in addition to SPLC that have monitored militia & white nationalist/nativist groups and documented the mainstreaming of their ideas:

 

Political Research Associates:

http://publiceye.org/

 

Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights: 

http://www.irehr.org/

 

Center for New Community:

http://newcomm.org/

 

 

nancy a heitzeg
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 @KayWhitlock thanks for these kay

 

i do believe Badphairey will turn up soon -- a rant is refreshing sometimes isn't it?? :)

nancy a heitzeg
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 @KayWhitlock just read about some texas county judge wanting to raise $$ for Armageddon if Obama is re-elected...

 

the new "normal"

 

 

rubyr
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 @nancy a heitzeg Hey baby, It just makes the hair stand on end. 

 

Hope all is well with you and yours. 

rubyr
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 @nancy a heitzeg I would not express the level of my 

loathing for that non-human on a site populated by people that I think so highly of. Sodas, salt, smoking, breast feeding --there is just no limit to the little man's need to control the planet. 

nancy a heitzeg
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 @rubyr yes it does

 

i am good -- hope you are too

 

hope you are not trying to purchase any super size sodas in Bloomberg Land :) Stop and Frisk!

KayWhitlock
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 @nancy a heitzeg Remember how some folks in Wisconsin were quoted as telling media reporters, after the attempted recall of Walker failed, "I guess now we can put away the guns."

nancy a heitzeg
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 @KayWhitlock yes i do

 

people need to be prepared for all sorts of craiziness - no need to be surprised by anything