• Thank you guys so much for the lively conversation. Let’s do it again the next time a state ends the death penalty!

    • @EmmaWA thank you Emma!

    • KayWhitlock

      @EmmaWA thanks so much, Emma!

  • Domino14

    Way to go Maryland , it’s about time!   Hope the rest are not far behind.

    • @Domino14 yes!

    • KayWhitlock

      @Domino14 Hey, Domino!  Yes!  Good news.  And once the DP is down, forward we go to the rest of the brutality in the criminal legal system.

  • What’s especially interesting about the death penalty issue in particular is that it’s one of the few issues that I’m aware of where we find genuine bi-partisan support. So much so that we started a project Conservatives Concerned About the Death Penalty (conservativesconcerned.org) that launched last week at CPAC, with backers from Richard Viguerie to Jay Sekulow. And they’re about as conservative as you get! We find so much common ground around the dp’s flaws like the risk to executing an innocent person and the way the dp fails victims families. And for conservatives that don’t trust the government to run, for example, healthcare, the idea of trusting them to execute citizens is beyond terrifying.

    • KayWhitlock

      @EmmaWA Emmas, what happens then, as we expand to address other questions about structural racism in the criminal legal system, and its ties to crumbling social infrastructure in the United States?  CPAC is nothing if not filled with celebration of white nationalism. 
       
      I would appreciate your thoughts and those of EJUSA.

      • @KayWhitlock My group works with conservatives and liberals, Rs and Ds, to end the death penalty. We also do a lot of public education around race and the death penalty.
         
        And of course race is a factor – especially the race of the victim. We have found that there are plenty of conservatives for whom this issue resonates.
         
        In general, of course, there are individuals with whom we agree about some things and disagree about others. We don’t have to agree on everything in order to work together. That being said, myself, and my group, have a mission and a set of values that does not accommodate racism or bigotry of any kind.

        • @EmmaWA  @KayWhitlock “race is a factor – especially the race of the victim. We have found that there are plenty of conservatives for whom this issue resonates.”
           
          How?? to the extent they offer a critique of structural racism??? Challenge racial profiling and all the practices that produce disparity at the end of the road??

        • KayWhitlock

          @EmmaWA
           
          I think restorative/transformative justice at its very best – not in its conservative iterations – addresses victimization without going to the historical well of “victims rights.”  Political Research Associates has an excellent bunch of material on the rise of the victim rights movements in the U.S. – which is quite different from a view that suggests that real support for those harmed by violence and other forms of abuse rests only/primarily in the criminal legal system.
           
          PRA has revamped its website, but you’ll find references and links to their Victim Rights Movement analysis in this paper I did for them on “reconsidering hate.”
           
          http://www.politicalresearch.org/reconsidering-hate-a-forum-on-the-hate-frame-in-policy-politics-and-organizing/

        • @nancy a heitzeg  @KayWhitlock I agree that one of the reasons the death penalty is such a disaster is because it siphons resources away from the type of support and services that would actually serve to address trauma in victims’ families, and help them rebuild their lives. The death penalty is just posturing.
           
          We’ve been working with a lot of victims’ families who are challenging the old narrative that victims’ needs = punishment for the offender.

        • KayWhitlock

          @EmmaWA  @nancy a heitzeg Yes, but the deeper solutions to criminalization (a deep,  broad, more historically rooted phenomenon that is raced, gendered, and classed) do not lie in just helping victims of crime rebuild their lives.
           
          Entire communities are devastated by the race-and class-based processes of criminalization, resulting in oppressive patterns of policing, prosecution, and punishment.
           
          I wonder now many nonprofits, urged by foundations to work with “unexpected partners,” will be motivated to take on that issue.

        • KayWhitlock

          @EmmaWA  @nancy a heitzegEmma, realistically, do conservatives support social service/human needs spending for anyone?  Rape victims?  Victims of “hate” crimes?

        • @KayWhitlock  @EmmaWA ^^^^THIS^^^^^
           
          maybe the RW social service plan will involve funding “faith-based” prayer circles???

        • KayWhitlock

          @nancy a heitzeg  @EmmaWA Yes, and publicly-funded “ex-gay” ministries for queer victims of hate violence.  And “slut reform” education for women who have been raped, especially by popular athletes.

    • @EmmaWA oh Emma — i never trust  “conservatives” on any issue involving cjs..
       
      Ever..They have an entirely different “agenda” which may be convenient fo r an issue or two but long – run..No
       
      you might be interested in this..
      http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/2013/03/18/guest-post-smoke-and-mirrors-2/

      • I believe that we will need conservative support if we are going to end the death penalty in the US. Also, I am about as far from identifying as “conservative” as you can get, but if Richard Viguerie and Jay Sekaluw want to spend their time working to end the death penalty, I say bring it on!

        • @EmmaWA Honestly i believe that we need 2 good SCOTUS justices and that is enough
           
          Please keep your eyes wide open — they will never care about racial disparity and will attempt to coopt the agenda on other cjs issues.
           
          Already happening

        • @EmmaWA make that 2 good SCOTUS justices

        • @nancy a heitzeg The problem is you can’t do grassroots organization and advocacy to get the justices you want. If you get enough people speaking with one voice about something, however, it is possible to influence elected officials.

        • @EmmaWA you can certainly elected Dem Presidents and representatives

        • @EmmaWA Onemore ??? — when the death penalty is over — what will be the focus of EJUSA on other cjs matters?? And how will that jive with agenda of the new conservative allies???

        • @nancy a heitzeg We already to more than just the DP. We also do work with victims’ families to help them advocate for better responses in the aftermath of violence.
           
          EJUSA’s mission is to build a criminal justice system that is fair, effective, and responsive to everyone impacted by crime, to cut cut through the polarization and find common ground for lasting, real-world solutions that prevent violence and rebuild people’s lives in its aftermath, because we believe that makes everyone safer.
           
          And anyone who’s on board with that is welcome to join us!

        • KayWhitlock

          @EmmaWA  @nancy a heitzeg But a fair, effective, and responsive criminal legal system depends on intentionally dismantling structural racism, doesn’t it, Emma?

    • KayWhitlock

      @EmmaWA Also, Emma, I appreciate that EJUSA’s funding will expand with conservative support.  And I personally know a couple of conservative folks here in Montana who are against the DP.  And I’m glad we call all work to try to convince the state legislature to repeal it here.  Every vote counts.
       
      But that’s not the same as making common cause and helping to create conservative infrastructure.  You have to understand that my first encounter with Richard Viguerie was circa 1977, as he was creating his right-wing direct mail funding empire, and a bunch of us queers were feeling its impact in the first wave of right-wing anti-gay measures rolling through Florida and then other states.
       
      I saw that guy’s impact on many communities – people of color, queers, women, people with disabilities, political dissidents, poor people – from the beginning.  And no.  I can find no way to support infrastructure of which he is part.
       
      that’s just me.

      • KayWhitlock

        @EmmaWA Oope – meant “we all can work to try” not “we call all”–

      • @KayWhitlock  @EmmaWA this is the crux of the matter :
        “Every vote counts.
         
        But that’s not the same as making common cause and helping to create conservative infrastructure.”
         
        thank you Kay..Frankly i find this collusion stunningly short-sighted..

        • @nancy a heitzeg  @KayWhitlock Hi you two, sorry I had to drop out of the conversation yesterday. My 15 month old was starting to forage for electrical wires. :)
           
          I just wanted to respond a little bit to some of your points. I believe – and my personal experience is – that it is possible to work with people who are very different from you if there is some common ground.
           
          My mom, a teacher and union steward in Right-to-Work Florida, taught me a lot about that. When she’s recruiting someone to join the union she doesn’t ask that they subscribe to her entire analysis of the class structure of society. She finds the areas of common ground and focuses on those. As a result of her approach, she’s had tremendous success getting her colleagues to join the union.
           
          EJUSA does not “support the infrastructure” of conservatives. Our work with conservatives has not resulted in them becoming any more conservative or any more politically powerful. Same goes for people on the left.
           
          But as a result of EJUSA’s approach of working with people across the political spectrum, we’ve come a long way in moving this country away from the death penalty.
           
           @nancy a heitzeg I agree that ending the death penalty or improving support for victims’ families will not – in and of itself – ameliorate structural racism or immediately transform the criminal justice paradigm – but that does not mean that they aren’t worthy goals.
           
          I’ve met a lot of families, particularly from underserved communities of color, who have been left struggling to pick up the pieces after losing someone they love to murder with absolutely no support whatsoever. It’s almost as though, in their communities, it’s supposed to be not such a big deal. But the truth is that there is a lot of unaddressed trauma and I feel really, really good about the work we are doing to try and get rid of the death penalty, which pretends to be the solution for victims’ families, and shine some light on these real unmet needs.
           
          Sorry this has turned into a novel. You guys had a lot of interesting things to say while I was giving my baby his bath and bedtime rituals and I so I had to catch up!

  • KayWhitlock

    Thanks to all who fight to abolish the death penalty with such relentless resistance. 
     
    As the DP continues to fall, let’s redouble efforts to abolish the entire prison industrial complex.

  • Thanks so much Emma and EJUSA!
     
    Appreciate all your efforts here..
     
    Yes the Death Penalty is crumbling — the recent report from DPIC illustrates just how much
     
    http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/2012YearEnd.pdf